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March 23, 2015 09:50AM
Hi Christine,

For what it is worth, your two options seem identical
to me, assuming the cluster and threshold limits are
the same across tests. Have you compared them?

Either way, neither your method nor the one Gang stated
(which is what we have used for a while) quite match the
original Monte Carlo simulation. Your extra cluster
step at the end would be much more conservative.


I would have to wonder whether a reasonable correction
might start with uncorrected p-values = sqrt(original
uncorrected p-values). Or for an N-overlapping
conjunction test, start with N-th root of the original
uncorrected p-value.

Then, assuming independent tests (which the null
hypothesis would imply?), the uncorrected p-value of
the conjunction would be the product of individual ones,
which would equal the original one.

Subsequent clustering (after intersection) would then
work like the original Monte Carlo simulation.

For example, if you currently use uncorrected p-values
of 0.01 and a minimum cluster of 100 voxels, then the
conjunction result would mean thresholding at just 0.1,
intersecting and clustering.

Even assuming I am not way off base here, an odd result
of this would be that the conjunction results would not
need to correspond to the individual results, which might
be troubling.


Or one could go the more direct route. The simulations
could threshold each map (per test), intersect and count
clusters). The result would be require smaller clusters
for the conjunction. But we do not have software for
this.

Again, this could produce results that are very different
from the original ones.

The difference between these two methods is that the
latter would require smaller clusters while the former
would require a less significant uncorrected p-value.

- rick
Subject Author Posted

Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gpagnon August 26, 2014 07:10AM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gang August 28, 2014 04:20PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gpagnon September 01, 2014 09:23AM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gang September 02, 2014 11:56AM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gpagnon September 06, 2014 03:31AM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

Christine Smith March 19, 2015 06:40PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gang March 20, 2015 04:50PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

Christine Smith March 20, 2015 08:46PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

gang March 23, 2015 03:06PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

Isaac Schwabacher March 23, 2015 03:34PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

rick reynolds March 23, 2015 09:50AM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

rick reynolds March 23, 2015 10:52AM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

rick reynolds March 23, 2015 01:08PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

Christine Smith March 23, 2015 04:29PM

Re: Conjunction analysis and cluster-extent thresholding

rick reynolds March 24, 2015 04:05PM