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August 22, 2016 08:31AM
Hi everyone,
I have a design with 2 within-subject factors: Tasks and TypeOfPair. Initially, I was using 3DANOVA3 to analyze the data, with the following command lines (a is TypeOfPair, b is Task, c is subject):

3dANOVA3 -type 4 -alevels 8 -blevels 3 -clevels 17 \
-mask $output_dir/stimuli/mask_anat.KQu+tlrc \3dANOVA3 -type 4 -alevels 8 -blevels 3 -clevels 17 \
-mask $output_dir/stimuli/mask_anat.KQu+tlrc \
-dset 1 1 1 $output_dir/stimuli/Subject1_SM_SM_Noise_Averaged+tlrc \
-dset 1 1 2 $output_dir/stimuli/Subject2_SM_SM_Noise_Averaged+tlrc \
...

Now I want to include the reaction times as a covariate in a mixed-effect model, using 3DLME. But, before that, I wanted to check whether 3DLME would give me the same results as 3DANOVA3 if I do not include the covariate. So I ran the following lines:
3dLME -prefix $output_dir/LME_922_1 -jobs 1 \
-model "TypeOfPair*Task" \
-ranEff '~1' \
-SS_type 3 \
-num_glt 2 \
-gltLabel 1 'Action-Material' -gltCode 1 'Task : 1*Action -1*Material' \
-gltLabel 2 'Action+Material-2*Noise' -gltCode 2 'Task : 1*Action +1*Material -2*Noise' \
-mask $input_dir/mask_anat.KQu+tlrc \
-dataTable \
Subj TypeOfPair Task InputFile \
1_SM TP_TP Noise $input_dir/Subject1_TP_TP_Noise_Averaged+tlrc \
1_SM TP_TP Action $input_dir/Subject1_TP_TP_Action_Averaged+tlrc \
...

I found results that are qualitatively similar (overall, I find the same clusters), but the clusters have different sizes. I am not sure that I am using 3DLME correctly, though:
- which type of SS should I use? I used type 3 based on the examples in the documentation
- Shouldn't I include the subjects as a random factor since type 4 in 3DANOVA3 corresponds to define c as a random factor? The program gets stuck when I try to do this, though.
- What is the difference between the glt and glf?
- Should I worry that the two methods give slightly different results?
Thank you!
Guillaume
Subject Author Posted

3DLME and 3DAnova3

Guillaume August 22, 2016 08:31AM

Re: 3DLME and 3DAnova3

gang August 22, 2016 10:03AM