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October 29, 2014 07:00PM
Hi Rick,
When looking at the output of afni_proc.py I used history to look at how the TSNR images are created and found the following:

3dTcat -prefix all.runs.$sub.pb04 $out_dir/pb04.$sub.r01.volreg+orig
3dTstat -mean -prefix rm.signal.all.pb04 all.runs.$sub.pb04+orig
3dTproject -polort 0 -input all.runs.$sub.pb04+orig -censor $out_dir/censor_${sub}_combined_2.1D -cenmode ZERO -ort
$out_dir/X.nocensor.xmat.1D -prefix errts.$sub.tproject.pb04
3dTstat -stdev -prefix rm.noise.all.pb04 errts.$sub.tproject.pb04+orig
3dcalc -a rm.signal.all.pb05+orig. -b rm.noise.all.pb05+orig. -expr a/b -prefix TSNR.$sub.pb04

My question is that other blogs/softwares etc that I looked at calculate tSNR by using mean image/standard deviation of image to get the voxelwise tSNR. AFNI on the other hand seems to use mean of image/standard deviation of the residuals of the image to get the voxelwise tSNR. I was wondering why this approach was taken (are the other calculations of tSNR overly simplistic in nature?).

I'm guess the stdev of the residuals would capture unmodeled noise as well as signal of interest (since we use the residuals as our input for correlation analysis after further processing) but I figured I'd see your thoughts on the matter. Additionally, if one were to compare the tSNR at various stages of processing, would percent change be a valid comparison (tsnr2 - tsnr1)/tsnr2 or is there a more appropriate way of comapring the two?

Thanks,
Ajay
Subject Author Posted

full_mask and SNR intution

shanusmagnus September 15, 2014 03:59PM

Re: full_mask and SNR intution

rick reynolds September 16, 2014 03:12PM

Re: full_mask and SNR intution

shanusmagnus September 16, 2014 06:33PM

Re: full_mask and SNR intution

AjaySK October 29, 2014 07:00PM

Re: full_mask and SNR intution

rick reynolds November 03, 2014 10:05AM

Re: full_mask and SNR intution

AjaySK July 02, 2015 01:26PM

Re: full_mask and SNR intution

rick reynolds July 06, 2015 02:01PM