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August 06, 2021 03:34PM
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> it sounds like following this advice seems to be good for 3dlmer, too. Is that correct?

In my opinion, the reporting suggestions discussed in that preprint do apply to most scenarios in neuroimaging, regardless of the modeling framework.

The massively univariate modeling approach (i.e., voxel-wise analysis) assumes that the signal follows a uniform distribution across the brain, which is far from the reality; that is, a Gaussian distribution would be more reasonable. Therefore, the cluster-based adjustment for the multiple testing issue as a post hoc band-aid would not be able to fully compensate for the information loss due to the unrealistic distribution assumption. In other words, the cluster-based inference is likely excessively conservative.

> What is the best approach to check/report trends from a 3dlmer model? (And therefore more complete results, even though not full results)
> 1. Adjust p value, 2. decrease cluster size, 3. do both, 4. use 3dclustsim with a different alpha error setting, or 5. something else??

There is no best approach, but some of them are practically more reasonable. All of what you mentioned sounds reasonable to me, but I will add one more for you to play with: stick to whatever the current cluster-based method provides because that's the mainstream dogma, and then gradually fade away the rest in light of the statistical evidence strength as shown in Fig. 1F of the preprint [www.biorxiv.org] and Figs.8-9 of the preprint [www.biorxiv.org] . This can be done by tweaking the translucency through the alpha/beta values (A and B above the threshold bar) on the AFNI GUI. Maybe there is some guideline for doing this...

Gang



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2021 10:02AM by Gang.
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Good practice for reporting 3dlmer results and trends

AFNIuser007 August 05, 2021 05:42PM

Re: Good practice for reporting 3dlmer results and trends

gang August 06, 2021 03:34PM

Re: Good practice for reporting 3dlmer results and trends

AFNIuser007 August 19, 2021 04:01PM