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Dear AFNI users-

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Sincerely, AFNI HQ

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November 04, 2005 09:49AM
> This simple method combines the individual
> subject t-statistics (from the linear-contrast between
> event class A and class B) by voxel-wise averaging
> of the t-statistics across subjects and multiplying this
> by the square root of the number of
> subjects/experiments


This is essentially the so-called fixed-effect method, which is usually more liberal and lenient than random-effect analysis.

> I recently used 3danova on the beta weights of
> the same linear contrast, directly comparing the
> same 12 vs 12 subjects.


An alternative is to run a two-sample t test with 3dttest.

> Could I use this t-test map of the ANOVA mean
> as a valid groupwise map? (In Bob's terms, would
> this be "reasonable"?). This map basically tells the
> same story as the meta-analytic formula-derived
> group map, but may be superior in that it
> incorporates random effects. Is this correct?


Yes, the result from -mean is more or less equivalent to a one-sample t test; in other words, you could simply run a one-sample t test on both groups to get the group activation maps. Either way cross-subject variability is accounted for in this approach that is more appropriate for making generation about populations.

> Could I present the anova-mean map of each
> group seperately (here adolescents and adults) to
> illustrate each group's distinct combined activation
> if the two groups did not have equal numbers of
> subjects, and still have a fair comparison?
> Alternatively, would the anova-mean map of the
> group with more subjects be biased toward a
> stronger voxel t-statistics by virtue of larger
> sample size and not an authentic group-wise
> difference in activation?


Well, if homogeneity of variance across groups is a concern, simply analyze each group separately with a one-sample t test (3dttest).

Gang
Subject Author Posted

What does the -mean in 3danova really tell you?

Jim Bjork November 03, 2005 04:37PM

Re: What does the -mean in 3danova really tell you?

Gang Chen November 04, 2005 09:49AM

Re: What does the -mean in 3danova really tell you?

Jim Bjork November 07, 2005 10:39AM

Re: What does the -mean in 3danova really tell you?

Gang Chen November 07, 2005 01:55PM