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Dear AFNI users-

We are very pleased to announce that the new AFNI Message Board framework is up! Please join us at:

https://discuss.afni.nimh.nih.gov

Existing user accounts have been migrated, so returning users can login by requesting a password reset. New users can create accounts, as well, through a standard account creation process. Please note that these setup emails might initially go to spam folders (esp. for NIH users!), so please check those locations in the beginning.

The current Message Board discussion threads have been migrated to the new framework. The current Message Board will remain visible, but read-only, for a little while.

Sincerely, AFNI HQ

History of AFNI updates  

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February 27, 2009 12:14PM
I intended to post this long ago, sorry for the delay. There is a small bug in 3dretroicor in that it can leave some residual covariance with the noise model after running it. If you try re-running 3dretroicor on the cleaned dataset a second time with the same pulse and respiration files as input, the output will change further, and iterating retroicor will never converge. The reason is cardiac and respiration are fitted separately to the voxel timecourse, and then removed one at a time, re-introducing covariance with regressor1 when regressor2 is subtracted.

A work-around is to use 3dretroicor to detect physiologic phase (using -cardphase and -respphase to store as files) and using sines and cosines of those phases as input to a GLM. It is a relatively small issue but there may be studies with more than expected covariance between cardiac and respiration (there is some interaction between them). If you're doing physiologic modeling with RVT and CVT or other, it is better to do those noise regressions all at once anyways, so the variance is appropriately parcelled out to each regressor (lund 2006).
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3dretroicor fit small potential problem

Erik Beall February 27, 2009 12:14PM