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August 02, 2012 02:40PM
Hi Guiseppe,

Thanks for the note about 3dSeg, we will look into that.

Regarding the bandpass step, that is how bandpassing works. Most people
do not get to see this fact because they just run some FFT as a single
magical step. Whether bandpassing is a good idea or appropriate, I will
leave for others to discuss. But it certainly is common, and this is
the effect.

Since your TR is 2.0 seconds, the Nyquist frequency is 1/4 = 0.25. And
assuming you followed the example and used a max frequency of 0.1, that
means you are effectively giving up ~60% of your degrees of freedom for
the bandpass operation (frequencies from 0.01 or 0.1 are kept, 0.1 to
0.25 are discarded). And 60% of 200 TRs is 120. A few more are lost at
frequencies below 0.01 in the example.

At a slower TR, you would actually give up less, because it is the high
frequencies that are being discarded. With a TR = 1.0s, 80% of the dof
would go to the bandpass step! With a TR = 5s, you would not give up
any dof to high frequencies (because they cannot be modeled, they are
all aliased).

To think of it another way, if one were to run a bandpass operation of
all frequencies up to the Nyquist, the time series would be completely
decomposed (all dof used).

This is the (almost always hidden) cost of bandpassing.

- rick
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giuseppe pagnoni August 02, 2012 05:45AM

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rick reynolds August 02, 2012 02:40PM

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giuseppe pagnoni August 03, 2012 07:06AM

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rick reynolds August 03, 2012 08:25AM

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giuseppe pagnoni August 03, 2012 12:29PM

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judd storrs August 03, 2012 01:09PM

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rick reynolds August 03, 2012 01:48PM

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rick reynolds August 06, 2012 01:15PM

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judd storrs August 08, 2012 06:10PM

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rick reynolds August 08, 2012 09:02PM

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judd storrs August 09, 2012 02:08AM

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rick reynolds August 09, 2012 12:06PM

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Isaac Schwabacher August 13, 2012 11:22AM

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rick reynolds August 13, 2012 02:16PM

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Isaac Schwabacher August 13, 2012 06:02PM

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rick reynolds August 13, 2012 09:41PM

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Zhuang Song August 22, 2012 01:22AM

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rick reynolds August 22, 2012 02:47PM

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Zhuang Song August 24, 2012 03:34AM

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rick reynolds August 24, 2012 09:16PM

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Zhuang Song August 27, 2012 12:40PM

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ziad August 10, 2012 08:17PM