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March 16, 2006 02:18PM
Ricky,

There are 2 issues involved in the discrepancy.

(1) When more than two levels or terms are involved, the calculation in GroupAna assumes sphericity. The situation with 3dANOVA3 (and 3dANOVA/3dANOVA2 as well in this matter) used to have the same assumption. However we recently made some modifications so that 3dANOVA/3dANOVA2/3dANOVA3 are no longer vulnerable to sphericity violation.

For all the 1st order contrasts in your case with GroupAna, it is not a problem because sphericity is not involved. However for 2nd order contrasts, there are 4 pairs: patientVScontrol_cat, patientVScontrol_loc, catVSloc_pat, and catVSloc_con. Sphericity assumes that all the 4 terms correlate the same way across the group. But it seems there is strong violation in your case. While 2 contrasts (patientVScontrol_loc and catVSloc_con) are roughly fine, the other 2 contrasts (patientVScontrol_cat and catVSloc_pat) are problematic with GroupAna. This indicates that there is more variation between Cat and Loc for the patient group than the control, and more variation between patient and control for Cat than Loc.

When such a violation becomes an issue, GroupAna gives less credible results. I wish I could find an easy solution for this monster program in this regard, but no success yet...

(2) The sampe size (only 3 subjects) is too small, which makes the impact of sphericity violation even worse.

Hope this helps,
Gang
Subject Author Posted

2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Ricky Tong March 10, 2006 10:06AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

rick reynolds March 10, 2006 12:16PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Stacia Friedman-Hill March 10, 2006 12:44PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 10, 2006 01:40PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Stacia Friedman-Hill March 10, 2006 03:38PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 10, 2006 04:20PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Stacia Friedman-Hill March 13, 2006 10:16AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 13, 2006 10:55AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Stacia Friedman-Hill March 13, 2006 11:35AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 13, 2006 04:33PM

Found the problem - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 13, 2006 05:44PM

Re: Found the problem - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 13, 2006 09:39PM

Re: Found the problem - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Stacia Friedman-Hill March 14, 2006 01:53PM

Re: Found the problem - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Stacia Friedman-Hill March 14, 2006 04:04PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 10, 2006 01:37PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Ricky Tong March 13, 2006 09:56AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 13, 2006 11:02AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Ricky Tong March 13, 2006 11:20AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 13, 2006 04:35PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Ricky Tong March 14, 2006 10:18AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 16, 2006 02:18PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

ye March 16, 2006 10:57AM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 16, 2006 02:26PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

ye March 16, 2006 03:16PM

Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 16, 2006 05:50PM

Better solution - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 17, 2006 03:05PM

Re: Better solution - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Ricky Tong March 20, 2006 04:40PM

Re: Better solution - Re: 2nd order contrast for the matlab GroupAna.m script

Gang Chen March 20, 2006 05:10PM