AFNI Message Board

Dear AFNI users-

We are very pleased to announce that the new AFNI Message Board framework is up! Please join us at:

https://discuss.afni.nimh.nih.gov

Existing user accounts have been migrated, so returning users can login by requesting a password reset. New users can create accounts, as well, through a standard account creation process. Please note that these setup emails might initially go to spam folders (esp. for NIH users!), so please check those locations in the beginning.

The current Message Board discussion threads have been migrated to the new framework. The current Message Board will remain visible, but read-only, for a little while.

Sincerely, AFNI HQ

History of AFNI updates  

|
April 10, 2009 12:25PM
Hi Rick,

Thanks for the feedback.
The experiment is auditory, so I'll use Silent/Listening to describe the trials.

The design is based on two manipulations such that one of the two first conditions must be used during all stim blocks. So, if the first manipulation is condition A or B (and I'm interested in the difference between A & B) and the second manipulation is condition 1, 2, 3, 4 (and I'm interested in 1 vs. 2), then the blocks are:

A1, A2, A3, A4, B1, B2, B3, B4

So, A and B must necessarily be mirror images of each other, aside from Silent blocks.
I realize the amount of Silent blocks (0's on all regressors) in between Listening blocks is low . Is that the problem?
I do have a long Silent block at the end. If it were longer, would that help?

If not, is there anything I can do? I believe in BrainVoyager there is a way of multiplying the different conditions so that it's balanced (i.e. multiply Silence x 8) and I do actually get the main effect of just (A - baseline) that I'd expect using BV.

The last regressor is my sanity check, making sure there is a consistent effect of just Listening vs. Silence - it's the sum A1+A2+...+B4. So it's "1" 8/9ths of the time aside from a long Silent block at the end. If I removed this regressor would that fix the analysis?

Thank you,
Marc

tester wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>
> Those 5 regressors are highly correlated. You can see it
> visually when using just "1dplot -sepscl my.xmat.1D" (if
> we suppose your X-matrix is called my.xmat.1D). You can
> get the correlation values with 1d_tool.py, too:
>
> 1d_tool.py -infile my.xmat.1D -show_cormat_warnings
>
>
> That requires the latest AFNI binaries, from last night.
>
> ----
>
> In particuar, regressors 17 and 18 (your first 2 of interest)
> are practially just negatives of each other.
>
> On top of that, regressor 21 (the last one) is on practically
> the entire time. These will certainly start to match the
> baseline when they are put together.
>
> ----
>
> It's a little difficult to ponder without knowing your design
> in detail. But the curves look problematic, when taken
> together.
>
> Also, for a block design, I do not think it is good to have
> multiple stimulations at the same time. If a brain location
> has already plateaued/saturated due to one stimulus, I do not
> expect much difference to be seen from another stimulus that
> is supposed to have a response plateau at the same time.
>
> - rick
>
> P.S. You do not need to contact Bob separately. It is just
> good to tell the person that you are communicating with, so
> they know the data has been uploaded.
>
Subject Author Posted

WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Marc April 09, 2009 04:21PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

rick reynolds April 09, 2009 05:56PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Marc April 09, 2009 06:19PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Marc April 09, 2009 06:20PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

rick reynolds April 09, 2009 07:01PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Marc April 10, 2009 10:15AM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

rick reynolds April 10, 2009 11:20AM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Marc April 10, 2009 12:25PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Bob Cox April 10, 2009 01:36PM

Re: WARNING: !! in Signal_Baseline matrix

Marc April 13, 2009 04:07PM