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Dear AFNI users-

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Sincerely, AFNI HQ

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May 15, 2018 09:32AM
Since MOCO means motion-corrected NOMOCO, you are asking
afni_proc.py to perform motion correction a second time.
It is not clear why this would be useful, unless you think
the other software did not do it correctly.

Why would you expect the activation to be different at all?
Are you sure the test is not to SKIP motion correction?
That would be a real MOCO vs NOMOCO test. This is more like
MOCOx2 vs MOCOx1.


So what is the point of this study, if the only difference
is one set of motion correction vs two?. The main effects
will be to add additional blur, and possible additional
noise due to the secondary motion correction.

And since the original volumes were resampled the last time
motion correction was run, the subsequent "corrections" are
non-zero only because of the resampling (and method diffs).
The only reason one might think this would not ADD motion
noise is because the blur effect will probably be much
stronger than the inappropriate motion "correction".


Regarding your to3d command, are you sure the alphabetical
ordering of the IMA files is correct? I suggest you use
Dimon to create the AFNI datasets:

Dimon -infile_pattern '*.IMA' -dicom_org -gert_create_dataset -sp alt+z2

See if the volume order is different from your original one.
Dimon will say whether -dicom_org was useful.


In a later comment, you say you do not want to use motion
correction. Maybe you do not want a 'volreg' block at all.
But in that case, it might be difficult to get afni_proc.py
working to deal with the other transformations.


Yes, the 0.2 value for censor is basically in millimeters/
degrees. They are considered to be in the same range, since
a 1 degree rotation is about 1 mm maybe 2/3 of the way to the
cortex.

But your 3mm limit is probably a cumulative limit for dropping
subjects in the other software. The limit you are giving to
afni_proc.py is a per-time point one, which is very different.
Maybe the other packages do not censor?


Before you try to understand the activations, try to understand
the processing. Without that, there is no context to understand
a difference in activations.

It is possible that NOMOCO gives lower activations because it
uses less blur, now that you blurring MOCO more, due to the
extra motion "correction" resampling.

- rick
Subject Author Posted

AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 09, 2018 08:05AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

Peter Molfese May 09, 2018 08:36AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 09, 2018 06:57PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

RWCox May 10, 2018 10:13AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 10, 2018 01:11PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

Peter Molfese May 10, 2018 02:09PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 10, 2018 02:21PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

Peter Molfese May 10, 2018 03:18PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 11, 2018 07:16AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

Peter Molfese May 11, 2018 08:51AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 11, 2018 10:05AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

Peter Molfese May 11, 2018 10:19AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 11, 2018 11:58AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

RWCox May 11, 2018 12:42PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 11, 2018 01:18PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

RWCox May 13, 2018 05:27PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 15, 2018 06:21AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

rick reynolds May 15, 2018 09:32AM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz May 17, 2018 10:00PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

rick reynolds May 22, 2018 02:04PM

Re: AFNI does not give logical result

trabz July 13, 2018 02:59PM