AFNI Message Board

Dear AFNI users-

We are very pleased to announce that the new AFNI Message Board framework is up! Please join us at:

https://discuss.afni.nimh.nih.gov

Existing user accounts have been migrated, so returning users can login by requesting a password reset. New users can create accounts, as well, through a standard account creation process. Please note that these setup emails might initially go to spam folders (esp. for NIH users!), so please check those locations in the beginning.

The current Message Board discussion threads have been migrated to the new framework. The current Message Board will remain visible, but read-only, for a little while.

Sincerely, AFNI HQ

History of AFNI updates  

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May 23, 2012 02:19PM
> Would it be appropriate to average each IRF time point's beta value
> (the data has previously been converted to % change from the voxel-wise
> mean rather than absolute intensity) across the subjects in a group to come
> up with a group average IRF? Would it be better to fit a curve to each
> subject's IRF estimate and then find average values for the curve fit parameters
> for the group? Is there a completely different method that is typically used?

HDR shape differences are sometimes ignored by relying on a summarized effect size such as the area under the curve (AUC) or the coefficient of the principal basis function (e.g., Gamma variate) with other coefficients (e.g., time and dispersion derivatives) being a prior assumed to contain little information. With the AUC approach the effects are summed to produce one value per condition, and then one adopts the same group analysis strategy as the HDR modeling with a fixed shape. However, the AUC approach can mask important information about HDR shape (e.g., HDR might have different signs or durations), contradicting the original goal of modeling the HDR shape.

Alternatively you can take the individual basis function coefficients of the reassembled HDR function to group analysis using 3dLME:

[afni.nimh.nih.gov]

And use the following in model.txt in your case with two or more groups:

Model:-1+Time:Group

Gang
Subject Author Posted

Comparing IRFs Between Groups

John Graner May 23, 2012 09:54AM

Re: Comparing IRFs Between Groups

gang May 23, 2012 02:19PM

Re: Comparing IRFs Between Groups

John Graner May 23, 2012 04:08PM

Re: Comparing IRFs Between Groups

gang May 23, 2012 04:53PM

Re: Comparing IRFs Between Groups

John May 24, 2012 10:37AM

Re: Comparing IRFs Between Groups

gang May 24, 2012 02:09PM

Re: Comparing IRFs Between Groups

John May 24, 2012 02:45PM