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Dear AFNI users-

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Sincerely, AFNI HQ

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March 07, 2005 09:44AM
> To my surprise, the 3dANOVA2 output shows much more
> activation than the single factor, fixed effects ANOVA in all
> conditions and comparisons. Is this normal or should the
> activation be less? Does it say something about our data
> that this result comes up consistently?

With your design type there should be no surprise in that 3dANOVA2 gives you more activation than 3dANOVA. Basically one-way ANOVA is more appropriate for a design with which you can compare a condition/task among several groups of subjects, similar to a two-sample t test for two groups of subjects.

If you insist on using one-way ANOVA, the following theoretical proof can convince you why it would generate less significant results than 3dANOVA2 (e.g., one-way ANOVA within-subject).

For a two-way ANOVA (AxB, A fixed and B random), the F test for the main effect of factor A is: F = MSA/MSAB

If you treat the design as a one-way ANOVA with repeated samples, the F test for the main effect of factor A is: F* = MSA*/MSE*

Careful algebra operations would show that

MSA = MSA*,
MSB + MSAB = MSE* (as SSE = 0).

Thus more statistical power of the first model can be seen from the following fact

F < F* unless MSAB = 0 (that is, no interaction between factor A and subjects, which is rarely true in FMRI experiments).

The same logic applies to any contrasts since the denominators are the same.

Gang
Subject Author Posted

3dANOVA2 vs fixed effects ANOVA

Mariko March 04, 2005 06:14PM

Re: 3dANOVA2 vs fixed effects ANOVA

Gang Chen March 07, 2005 09:44AM

Re: 3dANOVA2 vs fixed effects ANOVA

Robert Cox March 07, 2005 11:07AM

Re: 3dANOVA2 vs fixed effects ANOVA

Mariko March 07, 2005 01:45PM

Re: 3dANOVA2 vs fixed effects ANOVA

Gang Chen March 07, 2005 02:04PM

Re: 3dANOVA2 vs fixed effects ANOVA

Mariko March 07, 2005 02:35PM